Capri XL-R 3000GT

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Re: Capri XL-R 3000GT

Post by Hi-Fi » Tue 11 Mar 2008, 18:26

Hey guys this Capri is the best. I had forgotten about this one. I reckon I would want something like this rather than a Perana, or maybe both.

Is anyone willing to sell the V6? :roll: :?:

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Re: Capri XL-R 3000GT

Post by kiwicapri » Tue 13 May 2008, 11:25

Hello all from down under. On the subject of this fine piece of auto art, i thought i would ad my 2 cents worth. it is My understanding that all 3.0GT Capris had a power bulg bonnet.Correct me if i am wrong, but this one is flat. Also, the GT strip kit, is still available from Australia, where it was commonly used on the 1969 1600GT, and listed as an option in 1970.

On another subject, has anyone got any idea, what Basil Green used to create a Borg warner LSD? It can not have been a one of casting etc. I need this info to help finnish a restoration here in NZ.Cheers.Wayne.

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Re: Capri XL-R 3000GT

Post by zahistorics » Tue 13 May 2008, 18:16

Hi Wayne,

The 3000 GT-XLR had a power bulge bonnet.

We (Jaques and I) think the Perana R Pack had a flat bonnet. We base this on two things 1) it looks like that in the ad 2) R Pack was right at the end of Capri production in South Africa, and we suspect that maybe 3 litre parts had run out.

But as we have never seen an Perana R Pack it is hard to know for sure.

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Re: Capri XL-R 3000GT

Post by kiwicapri » Wed 14 May 2008, 09:47

Hi John.

My reserach tells me that the "R" pack options were available as "options" earlier than 1972. The "R" pack Perana was available as a complete car in 72.

Also, in 72, all uk based Capris, from the lowest 1600, up to and including all V6 variants, were produced with a power bulge bonnet.

You maybe correct in asuming that Ford ZA, or BG may have run out of the power bulg bonnets, or they simply used up the 1600 shells etc.I don't know, as it seems that Ford ZA have no history of them.

I have a genuine 1970 Perana. (It was imported to NZ about 2 years ago, by the previous owner, dismanteled for restoration, but never got off the ground). We discovered it had been converted to an auto, from a manual. It has all the correct tags etc, and stamped block. BG0052 12/70 "R" pack, complete with quarts iodine diving lights, rear aero foil and louver. The front air dam/spoiler has vanished, but the outline and holes for mounting it are still there. I beleive the rear wing to be a Falcon GT item from the XY, or a Mustang item of the same era.Again, why would you go to all the trouble of producing a small number of parts,when you could by them in from the US or Aussie? Same with the drive shaft-XW/XY Falcon 28 spline shortened? I think so.

At some stage, some ignorant so, and so, replaced the back end with a later falcon unit, that has had a 4 stud conversion, and no LSD, but the correct ratio. It has also never been set up correctly, as when we took the lid off the bac, the gears are only partily meshing, and the marker dye, is still on some faces, where there is no contact. in fact, it binds when you turn it by hand. The a=other stupid part is, they have the backing plates on the wrong sides, and monted 90 degrees around from where they should be!

So, i need to find out what the diff origonaly came out of, to be shortened in the first place.No one in there right mind, would have Borg Warner completly re design a diff, for a homoligation special. could it have been out of a 69 Fairlaine?

One other thing that has been debated in the past, is the need to remove the battery tray. the 1970 and 71 inner wings are different. 1970 has no indentation where the battery tray is. It is the same inner wing as a 1600.

Hey, at the end of the day, i am seeking info, and not trying to be a know all, but it seems that the mystery, is not as mystical as it may seem. Just some healthy research, and a bit of thought.

I know Duncan well, have assited him, and followed the project with him.It is well underway, but some time off completion.

Regards to all, and if any one has a pair of genuine tail lights/Capri/Escort Hella ZA/Ford ZA,then please let me know, it is one thing we are both looking for.

Wayne

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Re: Capri XL-R 3000GT

Post by zahistorics » Wed 14 May 2008, 21:38

Wayne,

Capris in ZA were unique in that they never got the face lift like the rest of the world, so the sheetmetal, headlights and taillights remained the same as the original 69 shape till the end of local production. Also the non-V6 cars stayed with flat bonnets till the end.

The facelift bulge bonnet is not the same as the original V6 bonnets. The gap beteen the headlight bulges is about 4 inches less on the facelift bonnet. Also there were two pre-facelift V6 bonnets - the very early ones had a shiny trim at the back of the bonnet (rare), this was deleted in later modes, with different a skin used.

So to answer the question about the battery box, all Peranas were produced with the battery box at the front, inner arches were the same on all.

Regarding R pack - aside from the mysterious near the end R Pack Perana, the Capri Peranas were based on 3L XL spec, not XLR spec. However all Peranas got the R pack rostyles, but chromed. The R pack high backed seats were an option on the Perana. I suspect that any Perana you see with R pack fog or driving lights had those fitted aftermarket.

As far as I can tell your car is way to early to have been built as an R Pack Perana. High backed seats may have come from BG - but anything else R pack is likely to added by various owners before you.

Louver was a BG option, not a Ford option. Any spoiler, front or rear is neither BG standard or BG option Perana stuff.

See the other thread on the diff - it is almost certainly a cut down Falcon XB with cut and resplined halfshafts.

Finally on the taillights - the ones you are looking for with 4 screws are very rare. It is not 'wrong' to use the other Capri/Escort lights where the lens is fastened from the back. When your car was built both types were being used - there does not seem to be any logic as to why both types were used at the same time.

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Re: Capri XL-R 3000GT

Post by zahistorics » Wed 14 May 2008, 21:41

Alvin, don't you have a slightly better Capri to ease the pain :)

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Re: Capri XL-R 3000GT

Post by ZA Perana » Fri 16 May 2008, 20:10

kiwicapri wrote:Hi John.

My reserach tells me that the "R" pack options were available as "options" earlier than 1972. The "R" pack Perana was available as a complete car in 72.

Also, in 72, all uk based Capris, from the lowest 1600, up to and including all V6 variants, were produced with a power bulge bonnet.

You maybe correct in asuming that Ford ZA, or BG may have run out of the power bulg bonnets, or they simply used up the 1600 shells etc.I don't know, as it seems that Ford ZA have no history of them.

I have a genuine 1970 Perana. (It was imported to NZ about 2 years ago, by the previous owner, dismanteled for restoration, but never got off the ground). We discovered it had been converted to an auto, from a manual. It has all the correct tags etc, and stamped block. BG0052 12/70 "R" pack, complete with quarts iodine diving lights, rear aero foil and louver. The front air dam/spoiler has vanished, but the outline and holes for mounting it are still there. I beleive the rear wing to be a Falcon GT item from the XY, or a Mustang item of the same era.Again, why would you go to all the trouble of producing a small number of parts,when you could by them in from the US or Aussie? Same with the drive shaft-XW/XY Falcon 28 spline shortened? I think so.

At some stage, some ignorant so, and so, replaced the back end with a later falcon unit, that has had a 4 stud conversion, and no LSD, but the correct ratio. It has also never been set up correctly, as when we took the lid off the bac, the gears are only partily meshing, and the marker dye, is still on some faces, where there is no contact. in fact, it binds when you turn it by hand. The a=other stupid part is, they have the backing plates on the wrong sides, and monted 90 degrees around from where they should be!

So, i need to find out what the diff origonaly came out of, to be shortened in the first place.No one in there right mind, would have Borg Warner completly re design a diff, for a homoligation special. could it have been out of a 69 Fairlaine?

One other thing that has been debated in the past, is the need to remove the battery tray. the 1970 and 71 inner wings are different. 1970 has no indentation where the battery tray is. It is the same inner wing as a 1600.

Hey, at the end of the day, i am seeking info, and not trying to be a know all, but it seems that the mystery, is not as mystical as it may seem. Just some healthy research, and a bit of thought.

I know Duncan well, have assited him, and followed the project with him.It is well underway, but some time off completion.

Regards to all, and if any one has a pair of genuine tail lights/Capri/Escort Hella ZA/Ford ZA,then please let me know, it is one thing we are both looking for.

Wayne
12/70 and the number is 52? There is something a bit suspect here, my car is number 58 and its 10/70......

Aside from that did the car orginate from Cape Town by any chance? Regarding the diff it was a custom made Borg Warner unit from what I can understand and wasnt shared with anything other than the Can Am and the Nomad.

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Re: Capri XL-R 3000GT

Post by kiwicapri » Sat 17 May 2008, 01:50

the only thing suspect is your own car-58 could not have been produced in October. for a start, there is no way BG would have been able to produce 58 or so cars in one month, October being the begining, and these cars were built in the UK 3 moths earlier.Do you have a SVO tag? Bet you don't know what that is, or how to determine when the car arrived from the UK, and then into BG,and for the second, i have documented proof that the car is origonal, and was not from Cape Town.Third, but not least, I started out seeking information, and shareing my years of restoration knowledge, in Capris, and have years and years of ford factory parts books, service bulitons, magzine articles and actualy research things before i make assumptions.

If you would like to conatct me off line, i can provide you with a spread sheet of the numbers I have collected, relivant or not. :D

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Re: Capri XL-R 3000GT

Post by Firenza GT » Sat 17 May 2008, 08:41

ZA Perana wrote:
kiwicapri wrote: I have a genuine 1970 Perana. (It was imported to NZ about 2 years ago, by the previous owner, dismanteled for restoration, but never got off the ground). We discovered it had been converted to an auto, from a manual. It has all the correct tags etc, and stamped block. BG0052 12/70 "R" pack, complete with quarts iodine diving lights, rear aero foil and louver. The front air dam/spoiler has vanished, but the outline and holes for mounting it are still there. I beleive the rear wing to be a Falcon GT item from the XY, or a Mustang item of the same era.Again, why would you go to all the trouble of producing a small number of parts,when you could by them in from the US or Aussie?
Wayne
12/70 and the number is 52? There is something a bit suspect here, my car is number 58 and its 10/70......
Aside from that did the car orginate from Cape Town by any chance?
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12 - 70 for BG 52 throws out the sequence with regards build date as far as I can figure the little bit I know.

BG 58 seems to fit in with the build date and numbering of the Capri Perana V8 production process.

With the Chev's that could be possible as there seems to be no fixed sequence with build dates attached to them. In fact the Can Am stuff seems mixed up to an extent.

Touchy topic this can be.

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Re: Capri XL-R 3000GT

Post by zahistorics » Sat 17 May 2008, 12:36

Alvin and Wayne - you have PMs

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